Timehost: Good afternoon everyone... our guest today is TIME magazine
correspondent Ed Barnes, who is reporting to us live from Montenegro. Mr.
Barnes, thanks for joining us.
Timehost: Though part of the same Yugoslav federation, Serbia and
Montenegro are at political odds. How worried are the people or Montenegro
that Serbia will try to overthrow their leaders?
Ed Barnes: Terribly tense. I mean it's the only topic of conversation in the
cafes. The military, the local police, have reinforced all the strategic
points, and there is a sense that one spark - one confrontation between the
police and the Yugoslav army will set this place alight and start a civil war
here.
Question: Why do you think the Serbs are keeping the Albanians from leaving
now?
Ed Barnes: First of all, I think that probably they're going to go into a
negotiating strategy from what we heard, the army's having a fairly tough
time in Kosovo -- they've been hit very hard. And there is no endgame in
sight. For Mr. Milosevic, he cannot leave the province empty and hope for a
negotiation. In effect, they are still pawns.
Timehost: Are the refugees you're seeing hopeful they'll ever be able
to return to their homes?
Ed Barnes: Not as long as Milosevic is in power. Everyone yearns to go back.
They have nothing to go to where they are but they know that going back with
Milosevic in power means certain death. They've seen their friends killed,
their houses burned...and they could never go through that again. As one said
to me in a place where people burn your houses, there is no hope of survival.
Question: Do the ethnic Albanians want a cease-fire?
Ed Barnes: The dream of the Albanians is safety. A cease-fire without some
guarantee of protection is meaningless to them.
Question: Do the ethnic Albanians support the KLA activities now and before
the war?
Timehost: And I'll add: who speaks for the Albanians?
Ed Barnes: As things worsen in Kosovo, over the last year, the KLA's support
grew. But they have been ineffective in protecting the population against the
Serb onslaught. The KLA still exists, it still has support, but in
conversations with refugees coming across the border, very few wanted to talk
about the KLA. Very few said they would take up arms and go back as members.
So the KLA at this point, based on conversations with refugees, is almost a
meaningless organization. That could change if they were given better arms
and training. But at this point, the KLA does not seem to be part of the
equation.
Question: What's the total casualty count for both sides?
Ed Barnes: The casualty count varies by region among the refugees. For
example, in the northern city of Pec, the 2nd largest city in Kosovo, there
were about 200 killings. Most of them happened prior to the forced
depopulation of the city. Mainly the killings were a weapon of terror. In
other places, for example, Lodgje, where the KLA was active, Serb
authorities, according to refugees, had lists not only of KLA but family
members. And many of them were killed. In those places, the killing was far
worse. Among the VJ, the Yugoslav army, it's difficult to tell. The first
obituaries are starting to be published in local newspapers. People from
Kosovo we have talked to say the army is in some disarray, and the casualties
are heavy, but we cannot quantify them at this time.
Question: With coverage on the Internet and on CNN, why do you think that
there is still so much misinformation among the Russian and Yugoslav people?
Ed Barnes: They read their own internet sites, which provide the
misinformation, and virtually all the media inside Serbia is controlled by
the government. They have a propaganda machine that talks only of heroic
defense and injured babies, dead babies. Most people in Serbia are unaware of
what was in the Renvouillet document. They were unaware the bombing was
coming and they were unaware of any of the statements from the West. They
hear only what Milosevic wants them to hear and very little of that is true.
Question: There are conflicting stories concerning why refugees are fleeing
Kosovo. From what you hear and experience are they talking about fleeing from
Serbian aggressors or NATO bombs. With who do the people we are supposed to
be "protecting" lie?
Ed Barnes: I spent a great deal of time among the hundred thousand people
who were driven from the northern city of Pec. Not one said a NATO bomb had
fallen while they were there. In each case, Serb paramilitary troops police
or soldiers came to their houses and gave them minutes to leave. Based on
conversations with those there is no question of why they are fleeing.
Timehost: Has the influx of relief agencies and supplies been able to
make a dent in the humanitarian catastrophe unfolding along the border?
Ed Barnes: From where I sit in Montenegro, there has neither been an influx
of aid agency or supplies. Very little aid is making its way to the border
towns where people live, sometimes 50 to a house.
Question: Has Russia changed its stance on NATO's attacks on Serbia?
Ed Barnes: Unfortunately, from where I sit in Montenegro, following Russian
politics is a little difficult. I'll have to defer on that one, okay?
Question: How are the people chosen to be airlifted to other countries?
Ed Barnes: Again, in Montenegro there are no airlifts there is no aid. My
understanding is that that is being done mainly in Macedonia and the
selection process is done by local police without regard to family. It is
also my understanding that that is supposed to be reorganized. Though I can't
say that definitively. You have to remember these small countries that are
accepting refugees are fearful of themselves becoming centers of ethnic
conflict. For example, in Montenegro, in just a week or so, the refugees
account now for 15 percent of its population, total.
Question: On CNN, the exiled Princess Elizabeth said that this action is
reprehensible because no one came to the aid of the Serbs when 400,000 of
them were being driven from Bosnia. Is this a fair comparison do you think?
Ed Barnes: I don't think the situations are exactly the same. The Kriana
Serbs drove, cleansed their area of Croat and Muslim Bosnians; they had a
large and powerful army. And while their flight was as harrowing as the
Albanians' were, they were also participants, significant participants, in
the Bosnian war.
Question: Is it true, there are thousands of missing refugees?
Ed Barnes: Yes. One of the big questions is not who made it out but what's
happened to those still inside. We hear reports that many are trapped
somewhere in concentration camps and others are just lost or in hiding in the
mountains. Their fate is potentially far worse than those who crossed the
border.
Timehost: What's been Montenegro's role over the last 10 years as
Milosevic worked on his "Greater Serbia" campaign? Has it tried to break away?
Ed Barnes: The answer is yes and no. Prior to the election of a pro-Western
democratic government two years ago, Montenegro was involved with Serbia in
much of the worst phases of the Bosnian war. Paramilitary bases of such men
as Arkan were here, but that changed two years ago. Today the government here
has refused to declare a state of war, and has not been recognized by the
Serbian authorities. There is virtually no contact between the two
governments. And according to a source close to the president, he received a
message from Milosevic the other night that said when the chaos is done in
Kosovo, don't wait for me in Montenegro. Meaning that he will turn his guns
here. Montenegro is the only democratic government in existence in the
Balkans. But few here believe that they can last much longer.
Question: In the end, do you think Kosovo will be an independent nation?
Ed Barnes: It's hard to predict the future, but it is also hard to see much
other, any other option. It would be very difficult to ask those who left to
return and live under Serb authorities, particularly if there is no
fundamental change in the Serbian government.
Timehost: We have run out of time for questions.
Ed Barnes: Thank you all very much.
Timehost: Thank you Ed Barnes for joining us.
TIME.com Special Report: The Kosovo File